In this Episode recorded in early March, Matt and Joe talk about their journey in the hobby and discuss what materials you can build your RC aircraft from focusing on foam and balsa and where you can acquire them, including where one can find plans or at least inspiration.
Introduction: 0.37
Corrections: 1:10
Flying Stories: 2:06
Feeling like a Criminal / FAA: 30:30
Bench Work: 45:18
Main Topic – Parts Shopping: 47:30
Coming Goals: 1:36:20
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https://www.foamconceptjets.com
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Do you want to kick it off this time, or do you want me to kick it off? It doesn’t matter. I usually kick it off, so I’m happy to do it. That’s how we wrote it. But if you want to do it, do you want to give it a go? No. Last time you know what happened.
Welcome back to the aviation RC News Podcast. You found us. My name is Matt. And I’m Joe. We’re here to be with you in your adventure to RC Airborne for ficiency. So buckle in. Let’s take off
plans, inspiration, build materials, or I really want to build. So let’s get started. First, we’re gonna start off with corrections from previous episodes because most of the time, I’m just talking, and I don’t always have the direct information on hand. I had spoken episode one about how the founder of Flight Test was Josh Bixler. I was wrong. It’s chad kapper. I knew that. But anyway, it’s Chad Kapper, so he’s the guy who started it, and he passed that off to Josh. And Josh has been carrying that towards since. In episode two, we talked about the NASA brandle D Wing, and the champion in NASA was not Allen Bowers, but Albion Bowers. So similar they both go by Al, and I don’t even know if Al Allen Bowers is a thing in NASA, but I know Albion is. Anyway, so now that those corrections are made, and I’m sure you’re going to chime in, but please reach out to us at the Aviationrcynewpodcast@gmail.com. Let us know if we get something wrong, just tell us, and we’ll see what we can do about correcting it. And so now we’re onto our segment where we talk about what we’ve done, if we’ve flown or done anything in the hobby since we last talked. And we had a little bit of a lull as we’ve been trying to re figure out how we’re going to set up our podcast. We reached our hour limit pretty quickly, real quick with our original host. So we were kind of trying to figure out how to set up the next group while we were lining up things here and there. Anyway, so now that we’re back, we’re hoping to kind of get back into a regular schedule again over about two weeks. So let’s talk about what we flew. Joe, do you want to talk about what you flew, or do you want me to start? Why don’t you start it off? Because we’re going to segue into something momentarily for just a moment at the tail end of mine. Sounds good. Yeah. Okay, good. All right, well, so what did I fly? So it’s been build, rory so I’ve been doing some building, but it’s also the end of February, and I have family who loves to come in at the end, I guess, because they maybe think I need help. I don’t know. But either way, they come down and it’s great, but I don’t know if you ever kind of you haven’t been living with your mother and all of a sudden your mother comes into town and is living with you for a little while and then there’s like the judging about, well, you sure do spend a lot of time with that hobby and Jesus, maybe your kids. Well, that’s because she hasn’t come to busy. She lives across town. But if she was living with you, you know, you’d be hearing anyway. So for the last like three weeks, I’ve been hearing, anyway, cramping my style a little bit. Honestly, I’m really excited that she was here. I’m glad that my kids got to spend a bunch of time with her grandparents. And honestly, it was like hitting the easy button for a while. I just had to sacrifice some time at the flying field, although I did get a couple of attempts to get out there since we last talked. I had finished up really quick. There’s a guy on the Ft flight test forums called Vimana 89, and I thought I was a building full. This guy is incredible. I think he’s got like a nighttime job that allows him to build while he’s at work. And so he builds at work and he comes home and he builds when he’s at home. So that guy is crazy. It’s awesome. Anyway, so he joined in the buildery forums, but he designed a plane from an old 1938 aviation Special magazine called the 38 Aviation Special. Anyway, it’s a little plane and it tracks like an arrow. Like, I let it go and it took off. And it gets fast, it’s agile, it rolls right on its axis, and it is awesome. It was a lot of fun. At least the first flights were. I went out to go fly it again. About last weekend anyway, we won’t talk about that right yet. Anyway, so we got it turned out and it was awesome. It was a great time. A couple of weekends ago, my girlfriend’s father used to be into what is that, the flying where you’re hooked to the cord. Basically, you have a plane at the end of a long line and you basically wind up you had a motor that was not gasser. You turn it on and it would just go and you just hold on for dear life as it’s spun in circles and you control the elevator and a little bit of the rudder, and you just hold on until that motor ran out of gas. Line control, wire. Control, line, control line. That’s it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So he used to do that, I think so. He remembered doing it, but it’s been 30, 40 years or something, so he’s been wanting to get into it. It’s his grandson is about 30 and he’s kind of like, oh, this would be kind of fun to get into. When he heard that I was into it, he’s like, well, this is going to be great. So we finally all got a chance to get out. Now he bought an E flight with an as three X stabilization unit in it, and he also bought one of those for my suggestion from them is there’s I’ll call it a knockoff version from the China Banggood Store. And they basically have a C 17, so big cargo plane, except it’s only like 18 inches. So it’s tiny. Because it’s tiny, it needs stabilization, otherwise the wind is going to just smack it around and pretty much stick it into the ground. But it’s real simple. It’s only two channels. Throttle, throttle and rudder. Sorry, not throttle, whatever that is. No, it’s a throttle and rudder and it basically uses the differential torque to pull the plane and turn. And it also starts to rotate the plane kind of Aileron’s left and right, and it does it through differential torque. All it is is just literally two motors. That’s it. And a little stabilizer. So when they gust, the wind kind of picks up a wing tip, it, corrects it automatically and tries to level back out for you. So they’re really great little flyers. They fly for like ten minutes and if the wind is light, you have a good time. You get an example of flight. And if you bust it, it’s made of EPP. So man, the things are durable. That was EPP? Oh, sure, make me look it up. Now it’s like expanded polypropylene foam, I think, and it’s basically like a more rubberized foam where it’s like your packing foam tends to be more brittle. Like once it reaches its point, it’s just kind of snaps. Right? Right. You have DePron, which is very bendable, but it’s very hard to bust. This is like stiffer but rubberized, so it bounces back. I mean, this stuff you can bend up on itself. I know Little or Lidl has these gliders that my sons have and they’re these crazy neon colors or something like that, and it’s just this molded foam glider and they made it the same material. And seriously, you can slam it straight in a wall at 100 miles an hour and you just sort of let it be for a minute and it’ll be fine. It’s pretty durable material anyway, and a slight weight. So they had pardon me, they had these planes out and so we were kind of flying them around and of course we went out on a day. This is one of the first days I really kind of had available. And we go out there and it’s a public school ground. I think all the sports kind of just shifted over. Soccer starting up, baseball starting up and basketball’s ending and etcetera. So now on Sunday afternoons or Saturday afternoons, there’s a small group of like six you soccer kids practicing like right smack dab in the soccer field that’s amidst a pretty large section to the one side of the place the middle school that I fly at. So there’s like a soccer field and next to that is a football field and on the backside of the baseball field and a big parking lot in front of all that. So that’s one big, pretty big area. It’s where we flew last time. But they’re stuck on the right side of the soccer field, which means they are literally smack dab in the middle of all of it. Like if they’ve been on the left or maybe in the football field or maybe if they set up maybe closer to the road or I don’t know, and it’s all fenced in, so would have been fine. Like, I would have had a big clear area in the meantime. So we just kind of kept it to our little zone. Fortunately, they’re a small plane, so we had a good time and they really kind of got the hang of it. And it turned out his plane was the little gray C 17 was trimmed out. I guess he had been pressing the trim button a ton, didn’t realize it. So it was constantly trying to turn to the right and just banking to the ground. And I’m like, that shouldn’t be happening. That thing stabilizes. It should just fly straight and good. So I realized what it was, I fixed it and then he started flying like, wow, this is great. It was one of those days we had a generally pretty good day. I rebuilt my Dunn Burgess flying wing and gave that a remaden and I put some rigging on it, some basically some kitestring to kind of stiffen it up, which did a really good job. But I only cut in two of the wing surfaces because typically the way I designed it, it had surfaces on the top level of wings and on the bottom and they’re joined together. I only cut out the bottom, so it didn’t have a lot of role authority. And I think the motor torque was kind of keeping it from turning to the right at all. So I just basically pulled the zoolander and just kept turning to the left, which really wasn’t very good. And being close enough to those soccer players, I was like, yeah, I’m going to put this plane down. And then I flew, took out the silver and flew that around. That’s just like a big trainer plane and it was really easy and fun to fly. So I just flew that around a little bit and you know, everybody who was out, which ended up being my grandpa or my dad, my mom’s boyfriend, my girlfriend’s dad, my girlfriend came out, her son came out. I was there. I’m trying to remember if my mom came out or not. I don’t think she did. So especially the five of us all just kind of cheering each other on as we were having a good time, trying to fly some planes, having moderate success, not exactly crashing anything in particular, but not having terribly great success either. But we had a good time. That’s what it’s about. It it is. Is. And then I followed up with the last weekend literally taking the three planes that I built during Bildrori, which is an origami plane, which was neat. It was basically one cutout piece. You kind of folded in on top of itself and glued it, and it’s basically like a detail little design. I’m showing Joe right now what it looks like. Okay. Anyway, when I turned it on, the servos, I don’t know, they were centered, I swear, when I put them in. And now they’re doing weird stuff, so I have to fix that before I try it. So I was like, okay, well, that sucks. That doesn’t work. And then I flew my Hexie, or at least I tried. And if you go to the Foamy DM HEXI page, you can see the results of that, which are it’s about 45 seconds of me tanking this thing straight into the ground three individual direct times. And it basically took a really great arc where it’s if you took a plane and put a motor way up high and let it go, it would just kind of curve an arc straight into the ground. By the time it got to the ground, it be almost vertical. That’s what this did three different times. So the way this is set up is this tail is supposed to be cocked at an angle to kind of counter that, and it didn’t work. It could also be that the surfaces, the control surfaces are really tiny. They are really tiny, and I don’t really see any sort of lifting surface on that. Like, I see that it’s got weights, but I don’t see any kind of airfoil happening. So this is the airfoil. The angle of attack is the airfoil. Okay. With a flat plate. And it’s basically like beehive three hexes of a beehive with two little wings, and it’s all flat plate, so the whole plane is kind of getting lift at that angle of attack. So the back is straight. The front is up at an angle probably about four or five degrees. Now, you said that you had and I’m not familiar with this HEXI page, and we don’t need to dive too deep into it for those that are familiar with it. But you’ve got a place where somebody could go and look at that design. Yeah. If you look up Fomidm and HEXI on the Flight Test forums, you’ll see what I built, see the inspiration that started it, and then you’ll see the video of my maiden. It won’t be long, and hopefully you’ll be laughing, because I do. I know I do. After I kind of get done being upset at myself or taking it under the ground three times. Well, terrible. Anyway, here’s the nature of it. Here’s some good news for us and our listeners. Then segue it off in the back of that for just a second. We can now say, look in the show notes or the show description and there’ll be a link. We have more than 500 characters now, so we can include some links down in there. Yeah, so we’ll see about putting some of that stuff in there. And then I think I was really just trying to fly. I only have like an hour. And then I tried to fly the 38 Special again and that flew erratically and maybe I didn’t have a balance right. I didn’t check too hard, sadly. And then it got caught in a tree and then I took a large timber and just launched it straight into it. I poked a bunch of large holes in it and well, anyway, I’ll probably have to rebuild it, but that’s okay. Why do I ever go flying with you? I don’t know, man. I don’t know. Because it’s not always this dismal, but it just seems like it has been lately because it’s funny regardless. That’s true. And besides, we have a good time. We usually laugh it up the whole time.
I have a mini. I’ll call it a mini. It’s not mini. It’s pretty big. But the spruce gosling. All the motors have been tested, all the electronics are put together. I have to find my double sided sticky tape to mount the distribution tower to the wing and kind of get the video system working. And then I’m going to give it a maiden probably in a couple of weeks here. So I’m excited about that. That’s what I’m looking forward to hearing results on. Yes, me too. And then I was also building as part of a Miyazaki. For those of you who are into anime or watched anime, there’s a bunch of films that are critically claimed. There are some of my favorite films for anime is a filmmaker called Miyazaki. And almost all of his stuff, if you know it, it always involves something having to do something impossible flying through the air. And then one of his movies called Nazca the Valley of the Wind. There are like two sets of armies. Each of them have these really cool craft. One of them has what they call a bumble crow or basically it’s a heavy transport and it’s basically like this big pod stuck on what looks like almost like dragonfly wings. And I finished up the base model of it. I’m going to try to show Joe and that’s all it is, this boat thing with this it’s basically like an upside down boat with wings on it. I think it might be a good description of it. And it’s just a basically big flying wing. So I have yet to find the balance point that makes me happy. According to the online thing, it’s two inches from the front of the wing, but we’ll see. So I finished that up. So now I’m at the point where I can start putting electronics in and see what kind of damage I can do to it. And that’s basically what I’ve been doing in the last three or four weeks. What about you, Joe? I know I heard you’ve been doing something. Only a little bit, so yes, compared to all that, I look like a chump. Well, I did have the build word going on. The point of that month is to build and fly at least four planes. Yeah. So I had actually had to take down the table I was working on to build planes and I had the room, but I set the table back up. So really I hadn’t been doing any building, which I know that the building section is coming up, but I took the old fogey out once since we last sat down for this and flew in the park down the road from me. And I actually managed to take my worship leader out to fly. And not super related, but I do sound and tech volunteer for Church campus and so I get along pretty on the worship leader and I say, hey, you want to go flying with me? I want to go. And he was super into it. Apparently he has flown some drones with a friend or quads or he had something that he had flown a bit with a friend. So it wasn’t like his first time flying. But we went out to the park and launched it off and I flew it and got it trimmed out. Feeling good. In fact, the repairs I mentioned last time where my elevator surface was aiming down because the wire straightened out a bit. Some of the wines in it were straightening out a bit more. We need to get you some sturdier wire for that thing. Well, I did, I went to tractor supply in town and got the yard flags. Oh, nice. Good. So I’ve got those and I went by Dollar General and picked up the floss hooks. Is that a dream? So much. Nicer. Well, I hadn’t dealt with them yet. Okay. I’ve seen you use them and look at them like, oh man, this can be great when I get back to building. So I’ve got those materials, but I took him out and I was able to correct that issue. I just pulled my flyers out and put a kink in the wire at one point. I didn’t have to do like two ninety s. I was able to just kind of kink that wire, pull it where I wanted it and so it’s something I’ll have to keep an eye on every time I take it out. But we flew for a bit, had a good time, he got to fly it. His landings were beautiful. His landings were the kind that you’re coming in fast enough that when he touched down and cut the throttle, the field were flying on it. The grass had been cut four or five days prior. So it was like the wintery. I cut grass, dead grass, laying on top. But when he hit the ground, he just sent up a trail of grass shavings behind the plates. It skidded like a nice skidding landing. I don’t have wheels on it, so just kind of slid it across the ground for a few feet, and it was pretty to watch. Man, that was a beautiful landing. Man, I’ve been at this for, like, months now, and you just show up. Right. That’s awesome, though. I think the reason that landing was like that is because I come in on my landing approaches, and I’m bleeding off as much speed as possible because I don’t want to hit with air speed, or I don’t want to hit the ground speed and have it nose down, and as soon as it touches the ground, the tail flips up. I don’t want a tumbling landing. Come on. They’re the best. They’re the only kinds I know how to make. Yeah, well, I like to land my plane in one piece. Oh, man. I know I got a decent record now that I’m actually flying. At least you’re not flying it, right? You’re doing something too conservative. Okay, sure. Bring it up that way. No, that’s good, though. Anyway, I think I bring my approaches in too slow for that. Where he was concerned that he didn’t want to break my plane, he comes in faster. So I didn’t get the sliding landings, and my landings are good. Yeah. So actually, a little while after that, after he had left, I flew a little more. I was trying to get the kind of skidding landing more practice needed. It’s okay. But you got out to fly, which is good. I remember you were talking about something, I don’t know, you said that some guy would kind of don’t drop a name just because I didn’t no, I don’t have a name. I don’t have a name. But you said you had a guy locally that said, I’ve got a ton of balsa. I’m never going to fly again. Anybody you know? You want some of this? Yeah. I put out just trying to see if there’s anybody in the area that was doing the hobby and wanted to listen in to this podcast and just try to promote the podcast a bit. I put it out there, and an older gentleman hit me up and said, hey, I used to be in hobby, and I got some balsa that I don’t use anymore. It’s been a shop for many years, and if you want it, I’d be happy to donate it for a thing. So I’m not to a point of balsa building yet, but I have some balsa if when I get to that point, which I wouldn’t mind doing sometime. But more what I got out of that experience, he showed up while my worst leader was still flying the plane, but he pulled up I didn’t know he had shown up until I turned around and he was already off at the side of the field, stand there watching. So I was able to talk to him for a bit. And he was with balls, so he was with the gas engines. It was kind of telling me some of the fuel concoctions they used, but he was just like, Dude, that thing is quiet compared to what he was used to. Yeah, after we landed the plane, because the battery alert went off, and he was like, what is that? I said, well, that’s the low battery alert, the worship leader, bring it in. And I said, Here, hold the plane. Feel how light is. And he was just blown away because even as we were talking before we met up, I told him, I said, Why don’t you come out? We’re going to be flying. And we can see the differences in when you were in the hobby and what the hobby is, or at least this side of the hobby I got to do. We’re on the cheap materials end of this spectrum. Exactly right. I mean, there’s still a whole section of model flyers that are, by all means, building on a balls or whatever the heck they can put together through on the air or what is it? The sign materials, I think, was the one we talked about. Or we’re going to, but yeah, and of course, obviously we work with the foam, but yeah, it was always balsa before. And then those motors matter of fact, the field I fly out is a giant scale field, and so they have a kind of moratorium for Sunday mornings because there’s a couple of churches in the area. They’re like, we can’t have you fly. You’re too loud. Nobody can hear us when we have the windows open. Like, please don’t fly your planes on Sunday morning. But yeah, because there used to be I mean, there’s nothing but just screams. It’s like, oh, my God, I can’t even talk to you. It’s terrible. I got to talk to him for a little bit more. Left the older fellow and I hung out there for a while, and we kind of got to talk about his time in the hobby and how he was flying. He was on a remote he was military. So he was on a remote station I won’t say too much about. Because I didn’t ask him if I bring up anything. But tell me about when he was younger and in it and how him and his military coworkers fired up their own hobby club on the base they were at and how they flew and some of the things that went into that. Which was interesting to hear 30 years ago. How all that went down and the differences between now and then. It’s just the same hobby, it’s the same love, but it’s just two different beasts entirely. And it’s where I was being grateful. That, man, for $3 in foam board, I could build a plane where if these guys crashed their plane, they were looking at all kinds of manner of work to repair their planes and fix the balsa. So they were looking at $20 to $50 for the balsa. Who knows how much for the engines. You had the night show that you had to buy, which was special, and that wasn’t cheap either. It never has been, never really will be, I don’t think. And then, of course you have and that’s like a whole month of building just to even get a functional airframe, right? Yeah, a lot of time, a lot of expertise. And then, of course, you go to fly the first time and you just tank it in the ground and you don’t know how to fly yet. You’re like, oh, no. Well, fortunately, usually that’s why you went to these clubs, because they’d be guys who would have been in it, who could have said, hey, before you even think about, let me get your plane set up. Right. Because if you do it like it is, you may not want to come back and we want you to. Right. How did that go? Yeah, well, it was a great chat. We had good conversations, and the conversations went elsewhere from there, but it was really nice just talking to a fellow that had been in the hobby years ago. We just talk about the differences and then things are just going on in our lives. The conversation from there, it was a nice example of the different types of people that this hobby can bring together. You meet somebody and, hey, I’m flying. Hey, I used to fly. We’re going to talk. And from there you talk flight for a little while, and then next thing you’re talking about family history and what’s been going on. So it’s not the conversations. And the enjoyment goes when you’re meeting up with people in chitchat and just go beyond the flight itself. Yeah, it’s about the friendships you develop and the unlikely bonds that you would never have otherwise with people. It’s just like, I was talking to a guy online, matter of fact, he was talking about, hey, I’m going to be helping out some scouts and stuff. And I’m like, we started getting to talking to a couple of different people. I just mentioned him. I said, look, if you want to talk about anything, here’s my number. You know, I’m not anybody special, but I’ve done a couple of these things, so, you know, I don’t know what age groups you’re looking at, but give a call if you want. And so he did, which is really cool. And we talked for a good 15 minutes, and his wife was chiming in the the background, and he goes, you guys are all crazy. But she obviously loved it, and she enjoyed how much he loved it, too. So it was. Neat to be able to have that kind of connection just real quick, kind of out of the blue. Didn’t expect that phone call, but it was a good time. And I know it’s one of those that’s another guy that’s on the list of people I hope we can connect with when we get the flight test. I think he lives somewhere in Wisconsin or something like that. No, it’s a different guy. Okay. Yeah. Because I met up with Kilroyo Seven, and he’s the one I built the Silver for, and he also lives out that general way. But this guy was another totally different section of the state. But anyways, it’s neat. I’m going to tell this part because segway for a moment into something else that we talk about briefly, because I know you got another you want to do an episode on this upcoming topic? But after he left, I flew the plane some more, and it’s a local park, and I fly clear of other people. When other people are walking nearby, I tend to keep the plane up fairly high, and if it’s going to be near them, in their vicinity, I keep it up high. Once I fly further away, I’ll bring it down because I don’t have to worry about if the plane drops out of the air that I don’t have time to recover for. It hit somebody. Right.
I was flying safe, no trouble. Wade a couple of people, some people walking around and stopped and looked up. Sorry, go ahead. I saw a cop pull into the park, and he went into the parking lot where my car was parking. He went out to the very end of the lot and kind of parked up and was just sitting there facing my direction, and we sat out there for a few minutes. About that time, my low battery alert went off, and I started bringing the plane in, and I was worried I was setting it down, and he started coming my direction in the car. He drove his car in my direction and then ended up parking not too far away from where I was or where my car was. I had to plane on the ground at that point, took the wing off, pull the battery out, and I said, there’s probably not I don’t think I’m doing anything wrong out here. A flying safe. Maybe he saw the plane from the main road, he saw it up in the air and wanting to come investigate, see what’s going on. Right. Yeah. I had another battery fully charged, ready to go, but I said, Let me just go ahead and pack this up. He may be slow rolling me to give me an opportunity to say, you need to move on out.
Yeah. So I packed the plane up and was working on getting it all done, and he kind of slow rolled past me and then made his way out of the park. And it got me thinking that what are the local rules on flying? And I wasn’t really able to. I did a little searching, not a ton. I need to do some more. I was able to find a whole lot on that, but I need to but it brings up something that you’ve been putting out on Facebook a lot. And I know the Flight test forums are kind of blown up about it and Josh Bishla is involved with it. What’s going on on FAA or national level. So at the end of last year, so we’re now first week of March, at the end of December, the FAA put out a notice of proposed rulemaking for remote ID. So requiring that essentially any remotely controlled or unmanned aerial system, they called UAS, that every one of them be remote ID compatible or remote ID capable. And there’s a couple of provisions in there that are honestly not in. They don’t work with the remote control plane hobby and honestly, for the most part they don’t work with a quadcopter hobby either, really. Well, I suppose if you’re doing a race where you got like a kind of a local little zone that you’re trying to make a small track with, but for the most part they have a couple of different options. Basically you put this, it’s not transponder, but you basically put a almost like a flight controller that you would have in a quadcopter on your plane. And it basically has a barometer and it has a GPS unit and it sends that information to your transmitter and transmitter hooks up to your phone. Your phone sends basically to the FAA tracking site where you are, where your plane is, how fast it’s going, how high it is, exactly where it is, and exactly where you are. Also your information, your FAA registration number, as well as any pilot number you might have specifically for that craft. And you have to register every single craft you have. You have to register yourself. You also need to oh, you’re not allowed to. And this is the one that was killing me. And maybe it’ll be the end of the hobby for me should something like that get through. And it seems to become a real genuine issue. But basically they want that transponder unit or that ID remote ID unit to be tamper proof. And they want the craft that it’s in to essentially be you cannot go in and modify it. So what they want to make sure is that if you get a craft, it has a remote ID, when you turn it on, you link it in and put in your information. And the only way you’re going to fly is if you’ve complied with AFA regulation to basically allow them to make sure they know exactly where you are and that law enforcement can see where you are too. However, it also means that anyone in the area will know exactly what you’re flying it’ll also know who you are, and there’s nothing in there about keeping any private information about where you live or what your ID number is for the FAA or anything. Nothing is private. So as a pilot, that concerns me, because then now, I mean, I’ve seen granted, it seems to be a little less prevalent now, but you look around on the Internet and you see a bunch of people getting absolutely nutty about, I’m just trying to master how to fly this quadcopter. It’s really hard. Like, really hard without stabilization mode. Right. That’s what the guys are using to fly the racing drones, right? So if I’m flying a racing drone, all I’m trying to do is just not hurt anybody and learn how to fly it. Meanwhile, the only places to go do that are soccer fields in our high school or middle school where we’ve been, or a club field, which oftentimes they’re usually not really welcoming to quadcopter. So I don’t have too many apps. Okay, so I want to go do this. I go out to the local soccer field. Meanwhile, like, two fields down, they’re playing lacrosse or something like that. My quadcopter is up in the air. I’m just trying to fly it and not crash it. And some guys like, you’re filming my daughters, you’re freaking out. It’s like, look, I have every right to fly here. I’m not interested in anybody except just not crashing this thing into somebody. I’m just trying to be safe. I’m trying to learn. And yes, there’s a camera, but that’s only so I have an orientation understanding, because this is hard to fly from the ground without a remote viewing. Right. Some FPV in there. Anyway, there’s a whole thing, so that’s part of it, but we’ve taken care of you not to discount those people that are saying somebody’s recorded because it was a problem. People weren’t a concern. It’s a concerned. Right. It’s always been a concern. However, if you’ve ever looked through a pair of goggles, you’ll realize that I’m not peeping in on anybody. First of all, at that height that my drone is at, your daughter is an aunt on the ground. That’s literally good luck. Or I’m whizzing past her at 100 miles an hour. Good luck. If I could see anything other than, hey, that’s a person. Oh, crap. Yeah. Which we shouldn’t be flying that close to the person. No, exactly. We should be keeping when we do it. And that’s the thing, is the modeling aviation industry, I’ll call it an industry because it’s been around for a long, long time, has the most impeccable safety record of all flight in America, pretty much. I’m pretty sure that’s just dead out. True. There’s been no lives lost in the hundreds of years it’s been around. Hundreds of years. Well, it’s more than people were flying model aircraft before the Wright brothers flew their craft. Oh, really? Yeah, they were flying gliders, so they would build a glider out of Balsa, and there’s a lot of German models. A lot of it took hold in Germany, and then it ported over here. And then of course, that’s where the Wright brothers just brought controlled motor flight. Right there’s always right there’s always been free flight for, you know, at least ten years before that, or 20 years in the late 1800s. So the big thing about their flight was that they were actually able to meet the specifications of an actual flight, which was take off, gain elevation and land somewhere, control elevation. That you’re big innovation with the controls. So it’s interesting, I mean, a lot of people think, oh, the whole thing no, people were flying before. If the flying wasn’t the new part. The new part was that they could make sure they didn’t crash into the ground. That’s the innovation. It’s a good innovation. Yeah, pretty good. Pretty solid. Anyway, so the other way, the FAA saying, hey, look, we’ll give you a couple of provisions. If you don’t have access to the Internet and all that kind of stuff, well, then you have to fly line of sight, and you have to keep the craft within 400ft of yourself as like a dome around where you’re standing. Okay? I don’t know about you, but a soccer, let’s say a football field, is 300ft, right? With the end zones, it’s 320. If you get out to the scoreboards and the end zone markers or whatever, the uprights. Now you’re almost a 400ft. So imagine trying to fly a very fast old fogey. Like if you could fly the old fogey because it’s nice and gentle and you can control it really well, imagine it’s going like three times faster. You can’t even keep it on the darn field. There’s no way you’d be able to keep it within 400ft of yourself. Our runway at our big time field is 800ft long. I’ve seen the craft that take off from there. They need the entire runway just to get off the ground, to get up enough speed. That precludes like any sail, planes, any larger scale craft. I’m talking a large scale craft, as in like five footers or larger. Okay? Or anything with a turbine, any kind of jet. Good luck. You need that kind of distance just to get enough speed to get the lift to get off the ground. That’s just how they’re built. They’re built because they need speed for the lift. So that’s okay. So now I would say I don’t have cell service, I don’t have internet, I don’t have WiFi. I can’t put my information onto the FA’s website. They’re like, fine, you can do it, but you have to stay within 400ft. And there’s another one they’re like, well, what about fixed flying sites? We’ve got these fields that the Ma member have set up and other places have set up, and they say, well, you can have them. You have twelve months to register them, but at the end of three years, no more, you can’t renew them. So in three years, they all go away because the technology should be there. They don’t have it yet. They don’t know what it’s going to be, but they know it should be. There’s a lot of things that are so not okay. Plus, they’re like for a nominal fee of, I think, $5 per plane, plus a service fee because you’re using a third party connector. I mean, maybe that’s awesome if you Google and you have money to make, buy it and you know, I don’t know. It just doesn’t make sense to me. It seems one of the other podcasters, RC Roundtable, I think Lee Lee Ray had put it very succinctly when he said the aviation industry, the model aviators are like the Little League for the aviation industry. So if you outlawed Little League today, how fast do you think baseball would suck in America? How fast? Maybe a decade, right? And we all know this. I worry about it because I try to teach kids about Stem, and I use aviation because you’ve done it. You’ve already looked. It’s electricity, it’s electrical, it’s mechanical, it’s fluid dynamics. It’s aviation, it’s chemicals, right? It’s material, composite stuff. You’re doing it by plus or structural, all the different kinds of design elements that you might think about if you want to teach a kid. Like, you can design this way ahead of time and have success every single time. If you take your time with it, that’s what people do in real life. If you like this kind of thing, you can take it pretty far and do some pretty cool stuff. And then we point to SpaceX and Virgin and Grumman, any of the normal aviation industry players that make military craft and things like that. There’s a whole industry designed for that. Do you think they’re going to have where do you think they’re going to start pulling people from in a decade? They’re going to pull it from anywhere else? Because our people are going to be terrible. They’ll have no experience. So anyway, I could go on forever. I want to have a longer episode. Basically. The comment period closed a week ago, and 51,000 comments. I think they determined there’s about 44,000 comments that were unique need to be reviewed by the FAA. So it’s probably going to be a while before any of this stuff actually gets updated, changed and acted, etc. And a little worried. But in the meantime, let’s fly. Let’s have fun, be safe and enjoy it. And to do that, we need to go get some building stuff, right? We need to figure out how to build it well real quick, just because part of the process rapid fire. Matthew, what are you currently building? Okay, I built the Mave, which is basically the glider from NASCAR, the Valley of the Wind. I have the Master series, FTP 38. I was going to build it last month, but why? I didn’t have time. Again, family came in. That took a lot of it. Same with the course here, but they’re on my list, so I want to build them. I’ve got a mighty mini version of the Spitfire, and I want to build that. And I want to build a regular site Spitfire because I want to see the difference. That’s going to be a lot of fun. I built the foamy. The foamy HEXI. I built the origami plane, and I think that’s it. Yeah, that’s everything. What about you? What do you want to build? What do I want to build? Because I hadn’t built anything, made that quick modification on my plane and moved on. I still want to do some straightening out on the fogey, reinforce some areas that I’m seeing are potential weaknesses. And then I do still want to build simple solar because I really think gliding is where I’m going to have a lot of fun. Vigorously nodding. Yeah. Looking forward to that. Good. Well, maybe in a week from now to close up build Rory. I’m going to try to put together a week from Sunday on the 14th. 15th? Yeah. I’m going to be putting a link on the Ft forums under the builderie for 2020. And if you have a plane you want to build along with whoever the heck is going to show up, it may be a cluster, it may be a hot mess, but I think we’re going to have a lot of fun talking and chatting and commissioning about building planes. So if you want, cut out your simple store and bring it to that. And we’ll be building because it’s the tail end of builder. All the building was done. Everybody should have wrapped up any flying that they had, any piecemeal flying they had left. Now that it’s a little bit lighter, we have a little bit more time and then we’ll go from there. So at this point, I guess we should just see if we can talk about where to get your stuff so you can start building your own plane like the Ft. Simplesore. Right? Because the only thing that I really know, aside from balsa, which I’m not ready to tackle yet, is foam board straight from Dollar Tree. Now, I can get foam board from other areas, but Dollar Tree phone boards, like cheap economic stuff that does a good job. But in our discussions building the show notes you were listening of all these other phones and supplies. What is going on here? What is all this stuff? So, yeah, take us into materials. Sure thing. Okay. So one of the things that obviously as a material, you need it to be strong enough to hold up to the forces that the plane sees. So if you’re looking at, let’s say, a four pound plane, the wing has to be able to handle four plus pounds of force on it at minimum. And of course, if you’re going into a dive and try to pull out, there’s extra forces on it. So you need the thing to be strong enough to handle that kind of stuff. But you want it to be light, right, because the lighter it is, the easier it is to fly. So there’s certain materials that have been traditionally used, and obviously we can talk about the Dollar Store Adams Ready Board, aka Dollar Tree Foam Board, because you go to the Dollar Tree and it’s a certain density, and it’s got the paper attached just barely enough to make it easy to peel off, but yet it’s still strong enough to give it a good amount of strength. And then, of course, if you add, let’s say, tape or like a packing tape or like a film or something like that, you can really increase the strength for very little weight, and it’s even better, right? Dollar General has like a half thickness. So that’s interesting in that it’s twice as dense, but it’s half as thick. So it weighs the same amount as Dollar Tree Foam board, but it’s thinner, so it’s easier to build smaller planes with it. I guess it comes as a bigger trifold that’s twice as big when it’s all folded out as a regular Dollar Tree foam board sheet, which is 20 x 30. That’s the Dollar Tree foam board, 20 x 30 x 316 of an inch thick. Dollar General has the trifold stuff, and that is 40 x 30 x 330 seconds. They are both water soluble, and so if it rains your hosed but the good news is, our friends over at Flight test have come up with and talked to Adam’s Ready Board to come up with basically a plastic impregnated paper. And that ends up creating basically it’s a similar weight, so it’s not much heavier. And it’s a water resistant foam board, so the paper on it doesn’t fall to pieces when it gets wet. So they call it maker foam. They used to have it where it looked like it was essentially it was craft paper. You can do this. You can peel off the old paper from the Dollar Tree foam board and put on and glue on craft paper and then polyurethanet or painted or whatever you got to do, literally the stuff you wrap packages with, it’s a little heavier anyway. So they took that idea and made original stuff. So it’s like a brown Dollar Tree foam board. And that’s the original flight test waterproof foam. Then they said, hey, is there a way we can do this without making it like craft paper so it doesn’t look like a bunch of cardboard? And they said, yeah, we can make it white. And so they did. And now they’ve got what they call maker foam. So it’s just like Dollar Tree foam board. It costs a little bit more. It’s the same size, same shape, basically the same weight, but it is water resistant, which means you can make water planes out of it. You can fly it when it starts raining a little bit and you’re not going, oh, no, everything is going to fall to pieces because the plane is literally turning into mush, so you don’t have to worry about it. And then they also talk to Adam’s Ready board and creating this stuff called maker foam, which is twice again as big as the regular dollar tree foam board. So it’s 40 x 30, but it’s three eight of an inch thick. But it’s the same density. So it’s going to be heavier. But it’s also good for giant projects, right? And you call it the microphone, but correction is the giant maker foam, right? I’m talking about the giant microphone. Right now. That’s the 40 x 30 x 38 of an inch. But it’s the product that and it’s sold by Amy, which is flight test distributor for products. So rather than have to maintain the whole store, they said, hey, Amy, how about you do that for us and take care of this stuff and we’ll concentrate on building nonsense, fun things that people are inspired by. They said, that sounds like a great plan for all of us anyway, so they are. If you don’t have any of that stuff with you, but you have a local hobby store, ask them if they can get that because they might be able to get that for almost the same price. You can buy from at the store. And then you don’t have to buy a pack of 50. You can only buy a couple of sheets you need for the project, which is what I have done with my local store that we talk to last week. Hayes anyway, you can also get Elmer’s board, right? So that’s heavier. The papers on a lot stiffer. It’s different, it’s a lot heavier, but it comes in colors. So you’ll have the foam is the same color as the paper, which is pretty neat. And it’s the same size, roughly. It’s like 20 x 30 x 316, but it’s heavier, it’s more solid. It’s also a lot more sturdy. But again, it’s almost three times as heavy as dollar tree foam board. And that’s almost for a lot of the flight test craft with the motors that are just barely sized for the dollar tree foam, it makes it almost too difficult to use a flight test plan. You can and people have it and it works pretty well. You just may have to be a little bit more creative with how you’re going to lighten it up or slap a bigger motor on it or slap them. That’s always a good solution. I know a lot of people take whatever it is and be like, well, I’m going to double size that motor. Oh, God. And then you can go and I’ll call it traditional. Now we’re going to go towards materials that have been used before, right? This is before Dollar Tree foam board was made into a thing through flight test. I mean, people were using a little bit, but what people used was they would go to their big box stores and they’d buy insulation foam. Either the Fanfold foam, which is basically very thin, maybe three eight of an inch, and it’s like two foot by eight foot panels, and it’d be a bunch of them strung together and kind of according them out. So it would be blue, or you can get the thicker stuff and it goes in like half inch, one inch, two inch panels by four x eight or two by the comedy bunch of different sizes. But usually they’re used to cover your house and insulate your house. So it’s the Pink Panther foam, but not the stuff you put in your attic. That’s all fiberglassy, but roll out foam. No, right. It’s the solid panels of polyurethane foam, and they cut with like regular EXO knives and things like that. You’re not going to get them to crush. So what you do is you kind of make your box in, but it sands really well and it shapes very well and it holds its shape really well and it’s sort of durable. And you can kind of coat it with like a spackle and use that to come up with a really smooth coat. And then with some paint and stuff like that, it really starts looking great. You can also adhere monocote and other the traditional covering types and make it look very much like a traditional plane. But anyway, you can use that to really mold a plane pretty well. And when people are making nose cones, they’ll oftentimes use that and they’ll kind of glue a couple of blocks together and then shape that and then glue that to the front of the box of Dollar Tree or whatever. So that’s something worth checking out. It’s lightweight, it’s cheap, it’s abundant, it’s easy to get to. So in many senses, it was almost like the original Dollar Tree foam board. Then there’s, of course, the chloroplast signs. Like, these are the for sale signs. We’ve seen people’s yards or I think I got a giant one from the ball field. And people would make their advertisements on the Little League ball fields that you have in your local town, and they hang on the back fence with advertisements from the local businesses. And eventually they get rid of them. Every season they kind of pull them out and see if they can put up new ones. If they’re getting rid of them, you’re happy to be there. Just go grab it. It might be brittle. Or you can go to your local big box store and get it. They’re usually three sixteenths of an inch thick or so. They’re about two x four. They’re heavier, right? But they’re almost nearly indestructible. So you basically make a big, giant flying wing and use it in your combat and chances are your plane is not going to go down if you build it smart and kind of impregnate your propeller in the middle somewhere so that you really can’t get to it to destroy it anyway. But Claire plus signs have been used for spades and a bunch of other stuff. It’s lightweight, it’s durable, it’s waterproof effectively because it’s plastic you have to use a couple of different glues but a lot of people have used it with great success for a long time. How do you go about doing the folds and that if it’s that you cut out, right, because it’s ribbed, right. So it’s basically the square cells you just slice off one of the cell walls. Fold that up. Yeah, it’s that stuff. So it’s basically got a top layer and a bottom layer and a bunch of vertical ridges that run the length of the product based on how you orient those ridges and where you cut them. It’s almost like dollar tree foam except it’s got vertical plastic stuff you have to get through. So it’s a little bit harder to cut but with a little bit of patience you will probably be rewarded with a plane you’ll have for a long time. So if you have a design you like, you can’t hurt to try making it out of that. Honestly, at flight tests, some of the more successful combat planes were those I bought everybody with pig pile on the clerk last plane because that’s not fair but there’s no rule saying I can’t know exactly. Right, let’s see, that covers all those and of course we can go to the traditional like you were talking about. It’s balsa. I mean, that’s been around since forever. It’s one of the least dense woods there are. It has a high strength ratio. You can buy it in different densities, you can sand it and shape it just like any other wood product although the less dense it is, the more prone it is to being damaged by just by knocking it with a metal tool or something. It will dent easy, but there are ways to fix that with wood. You use a little bit of hot water or some steam and it’ll basically reimpregnate the cell with water and it will expand and then it’ll basically pop up the dent. Same with expanded polystyrene, which is what a lot of traditional like when you bought the plane from the Walmart or whatever that uses a chuck liner. That stuff is a packing foam that you see in all your packages. The neat thing is if it crushes you take boiling water and just basically run it over that spot and the heat reexpands that foam and then you can basically sand it smooth again. And now you have a perfectly fine looking plane again. Nice. Yeah, nice. So Ball says tradition and basically what you do is you cut the sections. And you cut a spar and you shape the nose and you cut a piece in the taper thin piece in the back of a wing and you create a wing and then you build up the sections of your fuselage and run sticks from nose to tail. And then once you’re done, you basically have a frame just like the original planes. If you look at some of the plans of the any plane, especially the older ones and then what they would do is they would cover it with silk or like a very thin canvas and then they would dope it and basically fill up any holes with what they call the dope. It was basically like a glue and then they would fill that in and then they would sand it smooth and fill it in again and try to keep it as light as possible. And honestly the modelers did exactly that. They just used a finer silk or a thinner canvas because they didn’t need the kind of strength they need in a real plane. But they would dope it up and they would get it as thin as possible and then that’s what they would use eventually in the they came up with a plastic products basically like shrink wrap so cellophane and products that are similar and what they would do is they have them have either spray glue something like super 77 nowadays or basically heat activated glue and they would spray that. They would always have one side of the ready to go and you basically put it on top and you run over it with an iron at a certain temperature and then that iron would activate the glue and it would start to shrink the stuff. The cellophane or whatever it is. The plastic and then basically you’re shrink wrapping you’re custom shrink wrapping your plane in a colored plastic and of course that’s what you usually see in the traditional models and beautiful looking I was looking at some videos on putting the wrap on balsa planes because once the gentleman had messaged me and mentioned that I said well. That’d be kind of cool. Anyway, eventually get into I was looking into it there’s a lot of different aspects that go into that side of it and buy that without getting too deep in. I thought it was interesting to learn that when you go to like you heat iron the plastic film to your frame and then you go to hot gun blow or hot air blow it to cause it all heat shrink up. I didn’t know this but you have to be mindful of the temperature you use when you’re shrinking that because apparently once you’ve heated it and it has shrunk, if you have to stretch it out somehow again or something happens you can’t just use the same heat because it won’t do anything. You’ve got to go hotter for it to then shrink further. If you happen to stretch an area out. So you don’t want to blast away high as heat possible. Right, of course. Too much, and it creates a weak point, and then as it’s shrinking, it pulls open a hole, which, by the way, you want to know how I know? Did you try it? Yeah. So somebody said that they were like, you know, I use the Dollar Tree cellophane. So that like around this time of year, it’s a closing, and on Easter they sell the cellophane wraps to put around Easter baskets. And you basically shrink wrap the thing. Right, okay. You use a blow dryer and you shrink it. Well, you can take that same stuff. And if you make a frame out of Dollar Tree foam, you can coat that with super 77 or some glue, and then you use an iron or a blow dryer or a heat gun if you’re careful. And I wasn’t always entirely careful, but anyway, I was trying it out. But it works the same way, just almost exactly the same. It may not be as forgiving as some of the products that have been that are traditionally used. Right, but it’s essentially exactly right. Yeah, they’re made for doing what we do with it. So I use that product and you can do it over top of existing foam board. Like, you make your wing and then you put that on top and you basically glue it down, and then you heat it up and it’ll shrink and conform and it’ll look beautiful. I’ve seen some guys do some amazing work. You got to be careful. You have to make sure to get all the wrinkles out. And you’re basically shrinking it as it goes around a curve. You want to shrink it so it hugs that curve. And if it’s in a valley, you probably should have it like, connected at those valley points in some sort of groove. That way it doesn’t pull away. But anyway, that’s a whole fine art. Like you said, we just want to touch on it. But you can use that Dollar Tree cellophane to do the same kind of thing. It actually works pretty well, and if you’re careful, I’m sure you can really get the knack of it. So that’s another way to cover planes and have some additional strength. And I know I made one out of foam board that’s micro. It’s like 16 inches, and I need it as a glider, so I want as light as possible. I think it ends up being 50 grams total, but I use the cellophane wrap. So I made the traditional frame with the sticks, but I use sticks at foam board, and I glued it up and I wrapped it in the cellophane, and I just gently went through. And now it’s not perfect, but it worked better than I thought I was going to. And a lot of other people like, oh, that’s pretty good. I want to give that a try, too. So I’m not the one who came up with it, but go for it, man. Tell me how it goes. Easter is coming up. You have time to go out and get a couple. Yes, I might have to keep an eye out for that. Go for a resupply mission or something. Yeah, exactly. It’s a dollar, right? If you try it out and it sucks and you’re like, that was stupid, then you’re out of pocket. You’re out half of Coca Cola. Half of Coca Cola and you learn something, right? It can’t happen every day. Okay, so then I guess the last part, that kind of so now you have these materials, right? But you’re like, But I want plants. Where am I going to get these things? Obviously you can draw them up, but most people, especially when you start I don’t know where to begin. Right. Obviously we talk up flight test a lot because that’s where you and I pretty much started. That’s where I got you started and that’s where I really got into the hobby. So go to Flighttest.com and they have a whole section on articles and any one of their kits has a link to their plans. And if you want to see more, chances are they don’t have a plan set. Somebody on the forums already built it or already made one and you can see how well it flew. Almost everybody there tries to post a video of it flying so you can see if it worked. Or in my case, you just see pictures of it crashing hard into the ground into a million pieces. But that’s a nice thing about that is as far as I know, all those plans are free. Yeah, all of their plans, they have PDFs for free. So you download and they’re set up to be typically they have full size sets and then they also have tiled. But Adobe Acrobat is pretty cool in the sense that you can take any full size plan and hit the poster button when you’re doing the print options. And it will break whatever it is into whatever size of sheet you have that you tell it you have and it’ll break that full size sheet and place it on like 811 by 17 sheets if that’s what you use. Right. It’ll break that plan up and then you basically print it out and then you can tape them all together and then now you’ve got your plan set. Right. I was actually going to ask you about that once we got through this because I’m fortunate enough that you’re fortunate enough to be in a job that you just run off a massive what plotter, I think you called it. But you just print the whole plan to scale and you roll it up and you say, I pick it up from you. The other a couple of plans that I have and I’ve seen your place. You got tons of plants rolled up waiting I want to build too much. If I get inspiration or just for listeners who don’t have access to a full size plotter, could potentially go to a place like Staples to run plans off. That gets pricey. It can, but it’s not terrible, but it can be. But that’s one of the places you can go. So are there any other options other than having access to a plot of that size, going to an office coffee shop to print that stuff off or to do the tiles, which I’m glad you mentioned tiles, asked if there was a way to do that. Are there only three options or are there any other well, you can do what you did. Do you remember what you did? Just take a bunch of foam, make some measurements and start cutting screw it pencil or napkin, mass it up and you know. Yeah, honestly, that’s what a lot of guys do. There’s a whole guy, all he does is he has a picture of his plan and he’s written the dimensions on the sides and whatever. And you can take that and do the same measurements on your sheet and cut it out just like he did. And you’ll have a flying wing. It’s a no waste four sheet or two sheet or one sheet. Flying wing. It’s one of the articles that they have on the forum or on the article section of the flight test page. But you can also look it up in the forums. By the way, the forums are at Forum flighttest.com. And that’s flighttest F-L-I-T-E-T-E-S-T-I don’t know, maybe there was already somebody with the word flight spelled like normal, you know, flying a plane, flight. Anyway, so those places you’ll get your plans for free, pretty much. RC Groups is another website and that’s another one dedicated towards model aviation. And it is set up where it’s similar to like it’s like what the boss builders used to use to kind of put their plans together and put their heads together when they had ideas and they wanted to see if somebody else either had the same idea. They just wanted to show like, look at the cool stuff I’m doing. I don’t know what it’s to share and be part of a community that is interested in what we do. Right? So RC Groups has a whole myriad of stuff. Some of them are links to paid stuff, some of them are free, some of them are just hand drawn pictures which you’ll never be able to eyeball it. You could see that that concept works and try to do your own and a lot of the times but check it out. I mean, there’s a bunch of stuff on there. I mean, it’s an overabundance of things. You will definitely find inspiration there, that’s for sure. You also find a community of people who may tell you to Google it, but they’ll be welcome. That you’re there, they’ll be glad to see another face who’s interested in modeling. And then you can go on to there’s a couple of sites that I’ve used to basically, they’re just collecting old Balsakit plans, and anybody who’s got an old plan set for any model aviation, that’s called Arrowfred.com. It’s aerofred.com. So, arrowfred or outer zone? Co UK. Those two sites have, like, all the traditional bottles. So if you built a Baltic kit or bought one, it would come with a full size plan set, which you’re supposed to roll out on your board, which is usually like a ceiling towel or something, like maybe an extra polyurethane thing. And then you put wax paper down over top of your plans or a glass sheet some people use, and then they start literally gluing their balls right on top of all that over top of the plans. So error Fred and Outer Zone have people have taken their old plans of that or asked the company, hey, and they scan those in a full size scanner like I might have at work, and then they post them to those sites, and you can download them. All you got to do is be a member. You basically sign up, let them know who you are and how they can send you emails, let them know when stuff is there or whatever it is. I think they’re all free on both those sites. I don’t think I’ve had to pay for one. And there’s a couple of other sites like that. I might be missing a couple, but they’re really good, honestly. That’s how I’ve got the HEXI plans. The HEXI plans are a little plain. I literally directly translated this to foam board. I did a little bit of creative stuff with maybe the spar and the little front canopy that’s busted because I nosed it in so many times. But that’s an example of a conversion. Okay, so the Hexy plane was not a Phony. DM. Original. No, it’s a Balsa model that I converted. I think it was all 16 inch thin balsa sheet. But you do have some foamy DM original builds out on the course, I think. Oh, man. I’ve got 27 of them. And the reason why I know is because I told the FAA, hey, what you’re doing is going to effectively destroy the hobby that I love, because it’s not like, this is what I do. And I told them I have 27 of my own plans. Some of them are conversions from balsa, but I would say the majority, 20 of them or more, are my own. I came up with the ideas, or they were inspired by people’s pictures that they drew because they thought this plane looked cool. Some of them are maybe like, a little foam. I think one of them was like, Logan picked up a foam plane that was like a commercial. Like, pull it back and let it zip across the yard. You know, kind of deal, like, wouldn’t it be cool if we’re bigger? He’s like, yeah, well, let’s see if I can do that right with foam. But most of it is as much just inspiration from other stuff we can get into. We’ll get into inspiration in a second. Let me tell you about a couple of other quick places you can go. See Rcfoam.com. They have a bunch of plans. Rcplans.com. Rcfenplans.com. I think these are more like pay sites, but, I mean, it’s really nominal. It’s like three or $4. So basically they’re just saying, hey, can you help me support my website so that I can keep these available to people? Mikey’s RC had a bunch of really neat, fun, goofy planes. He just built neat things out of foam board and said you could do it, too. Let’s get flying. Foam concept jets is another one where, for a pretty nominal fee, I think it’s like $20 for a year. You basically have access to everything on the site. You can download all of the plans that they have available. And they’re all like these slot and prop jets for the most part. And so they’re basically usually a single plane of the plan form with a couple of rudders and tails and stuff. And then they have a slot in the middle at the end of the fuse. And then that’s where you put your motor. And then there’s the propellers, sits in the middle, and a little slot you cut out where you put it in. That’s it. It’s pretty simple, but they’re effective. The profile looks like the real thing. They look like a Tomcat or I don’t know what jets you dig, but if you want a Vampire or David and Vampire, or maybe a Spitfire or a Mustang, because everybody seems to love those. They’re really neat planes. They fly really well, and they’ve got, like, basically profile planes that are easy to put together. The planes are easy to cut out. It’s $20, and that may be a lot, so maybe that’s where you go later.
Those are not all of them, but those are the ones that I’ve been to and seen. But, I mean, heck, I even get inspiration from what is the guy? He’s the papercraft people. So people are making realistic models of things out of paper
to scale or scale down, but accurate, detailed. One of the Boeings airliners that made super functional with the moving flaps and everything, it was just what, out of paper? Yeah, it was out of basically manil folder material. That was what it was. Yeah, I saw that a few years ago, Dang. Yeah, and their card. And they basically make it out of card stock, different types. And I’ll say, well, what paper were you using to make this? Anyway? So those guys, some of them there’s a guy called Fiddlersgreen Net, I think, and he basically has these little, like, two sheet wonders you take and print on normal weight paper or a little bit like thicker printer paper. And what he’ll do is then you fold it up like he’s got the instructions and tabs, and you can fly those. You can literally check them across your office, and it will go all the way from one end to the other. Like they’re functional flying models. They might be free flight, but the neat thing is they’re taking that paper and you can fold it and round it and all that stuff. So I’ve actually taken one of those and made them bigger, and I tweaked it a bunch here and there to make it work with the foam and the thicknesses and how I know it operates. But that’s the kingfisher that I put together, is based a lot of the curves and how it forms is based off of his thing. I wanted to see how well it translates, and it’s pretty awesome. It translates pretty well. So you can go out and see what else is out there. Those people putting together these complex 3D origami paper things, what do you think a 3D model is? So when people build a 3D model and flatten it and then make a flight test plan out of it, it’s almost the same thing as what these papercraft people are doing. So you can find inspirations there. A matter of fact, if you look at the flight test flying pig episode, that’s exactly what they did. They literally took one of those papercraft pigs, made it out of foam board, and then they put wings on it and fluid. Take a look at that if you see it. It’s a fun episode. All right, so where do you get your inspiration? I want to build stuff. Where do I go to find what I want to build? Right. What about you? Where do you go if you’re thinking about building a plane? I mean, I’ve only built a couple, so I got it from you. Well, no, look, I had nothing to do with your glider. No, you didn’t. You built out on a whim and a wing and a prayer. I wish I had taken one more evening to get, but I had to get in there. I was taking my sister fly, and there was just no more time. But I think that would have been awesome if I got in the center of gravity. Right. But there was no real inspiration for that one other than this is what I want to do. Right. And you saw something similar that this should work. Yeah, that’s inspiration enough. Sometimes I just want a glider. That’s my design. And you just honestly throw the forums you go through, look at what other people are doing, you see their bills, you’re like, oh, man, okay, that’s a wing structure I could use. That’s a simple enough thing to work with. And I put my own twist on it by twist being that the wing was two full sheets, but the inspiration was just, I want a glider. I knew that I wanted to try to do the polyhedral setup. It just couldn’t. And I guess you could say, where do you get inspiration for some of the inspiration for how you’re going to build it? Because there was the bar in chief mechanism that I was planning because I wanted really big wings. That was just when you sit down and think about a problem long enough, you think about other real world solutions and how stuff can work. But that’s where I pulled mine from. Yes. Somebody was listening when you did that. Yeah. I see you’ve incorporated that flat chief mechanism. What I just showed Joe was the bumblecrow or the Tomkin heavy transport. When I saw what he did with his glider, with basically four sheets of stacked foam as the core that sat in the center of a box at the center of the wings, I kind of use that to basically create a separable wing so two that kind of nested in each other in the fuse. But I could take the wings off because this, to mechan, transport is nothing but wing. Thank you, Josh. Yeah. I was going to ask you, because you’re building that thing, was that your wingmount system in some plan you saw somewhere or was that strictly inspired from our comfort? Wow. I am honored. Well, I originally felt like I might have forgotten a box bar. I’ll just cut it in half. I’m like, but they need to like, nest it. I have a panel on either side in the main wing that’s stuck in the fuse like it’s glued in. And so that stopped the wing from twisting. But I’m like, they need the friction fit better because it wasn’t super tight. There’s a couple of reasons for that. But I’m like, you know, what I could do would be easy, would just be like sandwich a couple pieces of foam and stick it in the center of that box and just stick them together. And then basically I just run the wires in from each end and the Aileron section just run them in and then I just sandwich it in and we’re good. We’ll see if it works. We’ll see if it stays solid enough. The thing that was going to happen with a glider that I didn’t ever really get to discuss was my plan to keep the wings from pulling out. There should be a lot of outward pull on those wings, but to keep that from happening was I was going to take the barbecue skewers and run it through the top of the wing, through the spar in the system, and then through the bottom so that put a glue ball on top of that. It wouldn’t go through the skewer to keep it from falling all the way through and then maybe have something to kind of lock it in underneath. But it was basically one or two barbecue skewers just going through as bolts, effectively. But look at that. We’re pulling inspiration off each other here. Yeah, I know. Well, look, you know when you have a good idea, nice. So go you. That means a lot, actually. Well, you should take it because it was awesome. I was like, that was a good solution. I’m going to use that. So we’ll see. I may curse you later when the wings come flying off. Hey, I told you the step that we didn’t get to talk about last time. That’s okay. Alright, so the other inspirations, right, one of the series of builds that I’ve done, which are all custom builds, and they are off of inspired fantasy aircraft. So go find people who drew pictures. They usually have a top view and a side view and a three quarters like, whoa, this stuff is awesome. We use those and just kind of figure out how you might be able to bend your foam to meet those general shapes profile wise and plan form. And while it’s flying, honestly, it’s usually going so small and so fast that when it’s way up there, you’re not going to notice. It’s going to look just like that. Really cool fantasy craft. And a lot of planes that you find are just profile planes. They’re literally the profile and it’s teed in with the plan form. So no matter where you’re looking at it, it looks like the plane you love. They’re simple and easy. Let’s see YouTube. You go on YouTube and look up like what other people are doing, like you said, troll the forums, troll YouTube, see what’s going on. If it’s a real life plane, look up 3D view and then the name of that plane. And I’m guarantee you that there are so many history bus that if it isn’t an RC aircraft already, then you can find it. They’ve already done it. They’ll give you a 3D view and then you can take that and you basically kind of draw it up and lay it out on a piece of paper, measure it out, you can scale it up. I mean, you can do it all by hand. I do mine with CAD because I have it accessible. There’s a lot of free CAD things. And oftentimes what I’ll do is I’ll literally drop the plan view in the background. I think I put together a video of this, put the plan view in the background, the picture, the JPEG or whatever as the background image. As a background image. And I’ll draw like a circle that’s the size of the propeller. I suspect I’ll need to make the plane. I know I want about a four foot wingspan or something like that. Well, usually that runs on a ten foot or ten foot ten inch propeller. Like, oh my God, ten inch propeller, right. So, OK, well then I make the circle and then I resize that image to basically where the propeller of the craft. The original one kind of matches the ten inch, and then I start drawing out all the outlines and folding out the shapes. And some people use that same kind of deal to use, what is it, the Google SketchUp. They’ll basically make 3D models of it that way. And then there’s a plug in that you can add, and it’s called flatten. It takes all the polygons you made and you start at a face and go and it literally flattens it out, folds it out, and it folds it out. And then so what you do is then you get a picture of that, and you can either just print it and cut it, or like for me, I put it in the background of the cat and I scale it to make sure it’s right anyway. And I draw curves rather than straight lines and a bunch of little polys and whatever, because then I can curve it and it looks fancier, but it’s really just the same thing as taking that 3D view that you drew and you made a model of, and then you just flatten it, and then you reverse that process with the foam. You cut out the foam and then you unflatten it into the 3D shape. Really? That’s what I have. So with the inspiration and the planet’s that you can look at and get inspiration from, or you can have your buddy who comes up with a really good idea, and you just bite off of that and tell them, that was awesome. You could do that like I do. So you can do that. And then go to your big box store, go to Dollar General, dollar Tree, maybe you’ll find a new material yourself. People have traditionally used debt, but I think nowadays they don’t even make it. So it’s very hard to come by. But if you can get sheets of EPP foam, heck yeah, go to it. Most people who build wings, like flying wings, they’ll make it out of DePron, literally like a six mil sheet, which is effectively the same thickness as Dollar Tree foam. And then what they’ll do is they’ll use the flight test versa wing or something. They’ll make that out of app foam sheets, and they’ll cover it with a laminate, almost like you would when you were at school and you laminate a piece of paper, use that same stuff, basically. And then they would fly the dickens out of that thing. They make it scream like a hundred miles an hour. That’s ridiculous. And of course it’s EPP foam. It’s indestructible. I mean, literally just slam that thing into a wall at 100 miles an hour. It kind of crumbles for a second, lands on the ground, you pick it up and go, okay, as long as the propeller didn’t bust, you’re good. And if it’s a flying wing, the propeller is typically in the back, so you’re good. A thing on props, real. Quick and we’re getting kind of towards the end here. So I had bought a big pack of props. It was like 36 props that picked up for less than a buck each. But I bought that many because I was concerned with the rate that I was breaking props. What I figured out is you kind of hinted at in our conversations before, but the quality of the material, so the quality of what the prop was, because now I haven’t popped a prop since, and I’ve got all these props. I think once you’re prepared for it, I think that’s really all it is. Yeah. Well, these props have a bit more give to them. They’re not as brittle. They’ve got some give to them, which all the way back up to one do you remember I tanked it and tanked the Delta and I got the wobble prop? Yeah. I think that was the kind of prop that I’m using now. So if I have a problem with this, I want to have a wobbler, but as opposed to a broken prop, just make sure you use those. They come with little black circles, and what you basically do is they bore out the inside of the prop a little bit bigger than the shaft you typically need, and those little circles slip into the back and they will snug over whatever shaft you have. That way there’s no wobble. That’s what you’re supposed to do. Now, I’m not saying that’s not I’m not going to tell you what I’ve done. Well, the issue there is that might be what’s supposed to happen, and I don’t know if we ever covered it, but the motor that I got is actually, I think, a quad motor. Yeah. Plate test likes to use those as their base. They’re very efficient motors, is what they are. Well, there is a good motor. The problem is I can’t get a prop saver for it because shaft is the wrong size for prop savers. And the props that I got don’t just slide over the prop. Well, sorry, they don’t just slide over to shaft. Every one of those props, I have to take my bore them out further. So those rings are nothing for me, but it’s good to know that that’s what they’re for. That’s ideally what they’re for. So if you have a ring that will fit over that, you can bore it out and not worry as much as long as you’re pretty close to the center. When you put the ring back in and fit it over the I think it’s a five mil shaft as what’s on the most of the motors. It’ll be tight. So that’s something. But I run into the same problem. Some of those props are designed for 3.15 millimeter shafts, and those also have prop savers. So the prop savers are these little contraptions where it’s basically collar with two screws that kind of stick out, and you put the prop on top. It’s basically got like a little nub that kind of fits into the back of the prop so it seats properly, so it seats perpendicular with the shaft. And then you take an oring, just a small gasket basically, and wrap that around the top from one nut all the over the prop to the other nut. And it’s thick rubber, so it doesn’t go anywhere. But in a crash, that props gonna hit the ground and it’s going to torque or twist right off the shaft or take the shaft with it. In the case of the first time I flew one of my planes anyway, first time I had a shaft break was that the video where your whole prop just went, w? Oh, that’s different. That was just a nutcame loose the prop one going no, that was actually the bird of time. The first time I flew it. I flew to flight test and it went and then it cartwheeled. And when it cartwheeled, that prop was not a folding prop like I have now. It was just a regular straight prop. And when it hit the ground, it just took that shaft right clean off. Goodness, just cracked it. And I’m like, wow, that’s the first time I’ve ever seen that. Usually the prop goes first. I’m like, Darn, it out of motor. No, I’m out of motor. I don’t have another one here. I guess I’m done with this project for now, so which sucked, but it’s okay. That ended up working out better in the long run anyway. So the prop savers are great because when it hits the ground, the oring flexes and the motor and the propeller just basically turns and gives and either rolls off the shaft front because it’s only kind of sitting at the front end of it. And then so your motor shaft doesn’t break, your prop doesn’t break, and the oring stretches and it’s usually sometimes they break. So you keep a couple extra on hand. Other than that, those are like five cent pieces if you buy enough of them, and those are great, they will keep you using. And then you don’t have to have the propeller match exactly the shaft size because it’s really kind of sitting just on the front edge of that. So they’re good. But like you said, you can’t use them on the five millimeter shaft that they give you with the quadcopter motor that you have. So if you go to Amazon and you buy the really cheap, no name brand orange motor, which is the cheap Chinese knock off brand, I call it that, but I don’t know who the heck makes it. I’m certain it’s China, but in fact is it’s about the same. So it’s a 20 212, 1000 KV motor is the same as the CPAC. If you get that one, you can get it that comes with a prop saber and you’ll be good to go. And you’ll have a little bit bigger of a motor. So when you build a bigger plane or you’re like this Bpack isn’t quite enough, you’d be good. Cool. So I think that’s about all I had, at least for materials. But that should get you where to get inspired, where to go find your other build materials, where to find build materials in your local town and how to get plans to start with and how to get them so that you can use them. So I guess the next question is, what are we going to work on next week in the next couple of weeks? Do you have any plans? Do you have any ideas? Well, for our conversation earlier, I currently have everything that was in my attic in my man cave right now. So I don’t really have a place to deploy my table to build. Yeah, I know. I got to get it back up there. There was a reason it came down. It’s down. I got to get back. I know. You know that’s a pot calling a cut of black, right? Yeah. I want to work on the phobia some more. Just kind of make some improvements to what I’ve already got. But I do still want to tackle the Ft sore, but not directly plane building related. But a project that I want to take on that will hopefully help with it is I don’t always want to be set up on this table in here. It’s nice because I don’t have to pack my stuff up every time, but I’d like to be able to stand a bit more when I’m working because a lot of times I’m in my chair here in my garage, they’ve got those Murphy beds that fold up into other types of furniture. I need my bed, I fold it out. I don’t need my bed. I stand it up on it. And now it’s a bookcase. I want to do something like that in my garage for a drop down. I’ve seen some videos of them, different guys doing them on YouTube. But I want to have something like that in the garage that’ll be on my bay side so that when I’m wanting to build a plane, I just don’t have the bay of the garage. I’ll leave my car out, and my wife can still park hers. But when I don’t need the bench, I can fold it up and lock it in and kind of keep it away. Yeah, it’ll double as just a project work surface for other things. So if I want to work on a carburetor, I’m not stuffed in this little side room that’s on the garage that’s full of stuff and unorganized and right next to a hot water heater. I’ve got some room before. You know, it’s a really fast way to clear out the garage. What’s that? Have your hot water heater break you. Hope it doesn’t happen. I’ve had mine happen like that. I better clear everything out right now. I hope it doesn’t happen. I forget where I was going one day. I think it might have been to work. I had been looking in there when I bought the house. They had this oil pan under some of the piping that went to the hot water heater. It was unrelated to anything flight, but I noticed I always thought, why is that pain there? They must have had a leak there one time. It was one of those whole house filters that was attached in line. And I never used the filter. I never changed cartridge. In fact, I think when I actually took that out in the system, there wasn’t even a cartridge in it anyway. So it started years later. So about a year ago, not even, it started leaking. Just a little drip. And it filled that pot, the pan up. I was watching, I was like, it’s starting to overflow out of the pant. Like it’s not evaporating off fast enough. Now. It wasn’t hot water because it was the cold water supply to hot water. Okay. But it started dripping and then it got a little worse. Got a little worse. I was watching them. I would have to address that in the fairly near future. One day I was on the way out to go to work. I heard this. What is that? And I look in there and water is just spraying from where the leak has finally worn and opened it up more and more. So now I just had water spray and all in that room. There’s nothing good about that. No. Only thing you can do at that point is that a good work was walk out, pull the cover off the city water supply, shut it off, shut the whole house off. I’ll address this when I get home. Jeez, I’m so sorry to hear but it’s always the way of it though, right? Yeah. If it had been a day when I could have had time to empty out my garage, that would have been the day. So anyway, sorry, definitely no flight related. But no, no. I would love to build one as Murphy Work benches. It’s a good idea. Things it’s a good idea. So I guess if you’re listening, I guess we’d love to hear what your bench ideas are or what you use for a bench. Because everybody’s got a little something different. I built a massive heavy tabletop set. And I also bought something. What is it? Harbor Freight has those woodwork benches. I bought one of those. So the two of them kind of nestled up to be my work surface when I’m not using the dining room table, which is so far all the time, but it’s really heavy. I designed it so that my ex was interested in getting into Beadwork. So there’s going to be a little furnace and a little thing that you could use, a blowtorch. And I have the concrete panel walls as a build surface and the backsplash. So I’m looking to kind of set that back up and get a work light in there and then kind of spruce it up with some stuff. Makes it more like a plate shop. So we’ll see. I think where you’re going with that is if you have work ideas or something you want to share, yeah, please let us know. You can email us at aviationrcnoob@gmail.com. I know Joe would love to hear all of those ideas, and I’m always curious to see what other people do. I never do what most people do, so I’m always curious how they organize their stuff on that topic. We’ve had two, maybe three people email in after listening, and there were questions that need to be read on air, discuss on air. But I’ve had a couple of people or we’ve had a couple of people write in and I was able to read those emails and respond to them and that was nice to hear back. Somebody was actually responding and writing in and talking, so that was cool. So if you’ve got questions, thoughts, things, feel free to shoot us an email. It may take a couple of days to get to because that’s when we can get to it. But we’d love to hear from you, hear your thoughts, hear your questions. I always love hearing what your experiences are at the field. Whenever, sometimes. It’s always some nonsense where some crazy stuff happens. We’d love to hear about it because it’s nice to know. That’s part of what I like about talking to Joe and going out and talking to the guys in the field or anybody else on the forums and flight test or whatever. It’s just hearing the kind of that you’re not alone when you just tank your plane three times into the dirt nose first, like you’d never learned the first time, or you get to see people’s success, or like everything is going good. Until then, something else happens. Just to avoid any problems, if it’s something that you don’t mind being read or talked about in the show, you said you got a story that you want to share if you don’t mind us talking about it right in your email. That I don’t mind this being discussed on the show. And we may talk about it while we’re sitting here to share the story. If it doesn’t have that to not have a problem or not to upset anybody, we’re not going to bring up anything that on air that was emailed to us. Exactly. Just let us know if you’re okay with us reading it on the air. Because if it is one of those stories that you’re like, yeah, I think people need to hear about this. It’ll maybe help them feel better about when they take a build and maybe it doesn’t go like they expected. So I don’t know. Misery loves company, maybe. I know I’m going to see if I can finish up this bumble crow. I’d love to get this HEXI flying and the origami plane in the air, and I desperately want to see this Bruce gosling. All six motors wearing up like crazy and the whole thing moving. So those are what I’ll be working on in the next couple of weeks. We’ll see if we make any progress on it. And I would love to see Joe build his simple soar so that we can watch them. Soar maybe I’ll bring mine and we could just have a good time out in the field next time we meet. Yeah, man. Ride those starbles. Heck yeah, baby. All right, so you can reach us at Facebook at Aviation RC. Noob, drop a line, tell us what you’re thinking. We send out notifications through Twitter, and you can reach I think we have our podcast is still strong on itunes, so you can go there and see if you can find us there or Google Podcast. And we are now moving our stuff over to Anchor FM. So you can find us there as well. You can email us, as we said earlier, at Aviation Rcnob@gmail.com, and you can also go to the flight test forums at the on and off the field section. And we’ll have some post for each episode. So whatever one you’re listening to, just drop us a line there and tell us what you thought about that individual episode. Eventually, I’d like to see if we can aggregate them into kind of one little subfolder. But in the meantime, until we get there, just let us know what you’re thinking and talking about the Acre FM, because we’re having to move the podcasting host away from our previous because we were limited by it. So go into Anchor FM. Hopefully they have an automated distribution system. So either I’ll manually distribute the podcast to various platforms, or I’ll let them just automatically put it out there. So we’re looking at the possibility for what? Spotify itunes, which we’re already on the Google Podcasts, which we’re actually not currently on. We’re on Google Music. I made that mistake when we were setting when I was setting that up. So I got on Google Music. Not Google Podcast. Okay. And there’s a couple of others that it would automatically update and put our podcast out on. So by the time this episode goes up, one of those two options will be a thing. Either I’ll have done it manually or it’ll be done automatically. And who knows, you might find us on your favorite listening platform. Very nice. I’m excited about that. Honestly. That’s one of the things I enjoy most. Do you remember, Joe, what we’re thinking about talking about next time? I don’t off the top of my head, and I don’t know that we’ve really discussed wait a second. I’m pulling up the show notes. It looks like motors and ESC. Okay. And I’m hoping we can bring in an expert on that because while I can talk about it, there’s a lot of technical detail in there and I’ve had a couple of requests that say, hey, look, man, go as deep as you’re willing to go. So if I can get an expert on, we’re going to go deep. Otherwise I’m going to go about as deep as I can safely stomach because I don’t want you guys to be trying a bunch of stuff and burning up all your motors and ESPS going, those aviation RC, noobs her idiots. I don’t need any more of that. They wouldn’t be wrong, but yeah, exactly right. So, yeah, we’re looking to get some friends in Philip podcasters and people who I think one of the gentlemen actually works as the helpline for one of the semiworks. So we’re going to see if we can have him talk about and share his expertise. The other guy, if I recall it, RC stuff is the podcast name. We’ll see if we can get them on. And the other guy is a world class quad racer and those guys go through motors and ESC faster than you can drink water unless they’ve got their build right. Sounds well anyway, so we’re hoping to get those guys on and if we can’t, we’ll maybe talk to them after about some of the details. So stay tuned for learning about motors and ESC’s. Thanks for listening on how that episode goes out. This will be a medium length of average of what we’ve put out so far, but if that one starts getting deep, we could be looking at a fairly long episode there. So just a heads up on that. But we have show notes so we can put in links to somewhere in the middle or at least timestamps like, hey, if you are tired of hearing us talk about nonsense, just skip to 53 minutes in or something. That’s when we talk about the meat and potatoes. So we’ll see if we can help you now. Now that we’ve got more characters for our episode description, the show notes, we can experiment with different formatting for that area. But that said, Matthew, I think we’ve reached the end of this one. Any final thoughts before we call tonight? Just when you fly, fly safe, enjoy it, have a good time. Because if you’re not having a good time, you might be doing it wrong. Fly safe and have fun. Yeah.